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    Altakoi

    I know that your advice for better engagement is probably right, and probably effective. But part of me says that reality denying belief systems are only ever really changed by encounters with reality. The reality of bacterial infections is not forgiving of peoples ‘personal narratives’, and perhaps society has also to contribute to the harsh reality of the situation. The point about infectious diseases is that, unlike most other illness, what person A does affects the health of person B. So a child unvaccianted against an epidemic disease is not only at risk themselves, they are a risk to others. I would advocate getting serious about the passive smoking approach – which has been “not in here and not near me”. Make vaccination a requirement for attendence at school, attendance at camps etc and international travel for a starter.

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    atomitron

    Altakoi: Reality denying? That is the richest thing I have heard all year! What forms your reality sir? I dare say this website has a great deal to do with it. I would also bet that the TV plays a big part. Have you ever heard of Plato’s “Allegory of the cave”? I would suggest that your reality is merely shadows cast on the cave wall. Now I will address your terribly illogical point regarding vaccinations. If Person B is vaccinated against all infectious diseases, how could Person A, who is not vaccinated, possibly infect Person B with any of those infectious diseases? The only way that this could happen is if 1. The vaccinations don’t work or 2…well that’s the only way! So you are advocating that unvaccinated people are a health risk to those vaccinated, yet the only logical conclusion to your own argument is that these vaccinations don’t work? Please explain. And “your” Orwellian statements regarding forced vaccinations are just plain scary. How can you advocate mass vaccination of the entire population (especially children) without taking into account individual circumstances? How can you administer a one-size-fits-all mass medication without having adverse reactions? Are you even aware where these vaccinations are brewed and what they are made out of? Are you aware of the toxins present in all vaccinations, Thimerasol and Formaldehyde being of greatest concern. A simple search of any patent registry will turn up more than enough mad science to make almost anyone think twice. But then again, that cave is awfully cosy isn’t it?

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    AustImages

    Atomitron,

    The risk that unvaccinated people bring to the wider community is not generally to vaccinated adults, but to children who are not yet old enough to have received their full vaccination doses. It is these infants that are at risk in a community with low vaccination levels like the Northern Rivers area. The cases in point three babies who died this year from whooping cough after being infected by people not immune to the disease. Innocent lives lost before they had a chance to live. What a devastating tragedy. 3 babies lost in one small area of Australia thanks to a vaccination rate of ~66%, 30% below the national average. If you seriously believe that vaccination is more dangerous than the disease, then you must also believe that more than 3 babies were killed by vaccination over the same period? Do you believe that happened? Of course it didn’t. Any minor side effects of vaccination are massively overwhelmed by the dangers of being unvaccinated. By orders of magnitude.

    I should also point out that (if you do your research) you’ll find that NO CHILDHOOD VACCINES CONTAIN THIMEROSAL or any other form of mercury. It was removed in 1999-2000, almost 10 years ago. Another inconvenient fact for the anti-vaxxers.

    Am I concerned about the ingredients of vaccines? Nope, not a bit, because I know what’s in them, I understand what it means and what they do, and I have read more than just the lies and exaggerations of the anti-vax movement. I would suggest you do the same. My 9-week-old just had his first vaccinations, and myself, his mother and the grandparents all received a DTP booster as well.

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